I've used these for about two seasons. The logo on the right knee is faded, and there's some slight pilling on the inside. There's no noticeable fraying on the hem. Functionally, I think you can still use them without any problems, but they show signs of wear overall. The hem has been altered. Please refer to the photos for the length. Please understand that these are used items. The North Face Alpine Light Pants NT52927 Black Size L *These are also listed on other sites, so they may sell out. Please understand. Please comment before purchasing.