These are the early loafers from both. Purchased at a store. Color: Black Size: 43 (27.5-28cm) Material: Upper: 90% Calf Leather + 10% Rubber Outsole: 90% EVA + 10% Rubber Current models use Spazzolato Leather, which has a slight sheen, but this model has a slightly matte texture, similar to that used in Chelsea boots. This leather is easier to break in and tends to become softer. I haven't had many opportunities to wear them, only about twice. The soles show no wear, and the overall condition is clean. This is a discontinued model, so it's quite rare. The original box is not included. If you'd like, I can ship them in a different box, so please let me know. Please consider this a used item and understand that it is non-refundable and non-returnable. Feel free to negotiate the price or ask any questions!