I purchased these at an antique market about 8 years ago. The smaller one is Murakami Tsuishu lacquerware, and I don't know where the larger one is from. Both are used items. There are no boxes. The dimensions of the Murakami Tsuishu piece are 12.1 cm in diameter and 4.8 cm in height. The dimensions of the larger piece are 18.1 cm in diameter and 2.8 cm in height. Thank you.